Нужна схема проводки генератор Smart Forfour 454

[RomaFin]

Добрый день,

Нигде найти не могу схему на данный авто:

WME4540301B027939

Нужна схема проводки генератор и везде где он участвует(хотя бы до блока предов).

Новый генератор, зарядки нету, видимо есть ещё компоненты кто за зарядку отвечает.

Спасибо!

 

[романофф]

Wis отсутствует?

 

[RomaFin]

Wis отсутствует?

У меня нету, просил в телеге группе, чёт не нашлось ни у кого.. и там человек с онлайном пробовал смотреть, тоже нету. Сказал видимо каких то прав доступа к стартам нету… хз в гугле уже раз 10 садился искать, ни разу один в один не нашёл.. может и ищу не так не знаю..

 

[романофф]

У меня нету

Как ремонтируете?

Позже скину.

 

[RomaFin]

Как ремонтируете?

Позже скину.

Если честно то не так часто нужно. Я же не в мерс центре. А по всем маркам держать это ппц.. хотя мысли посещали уже, буду благодарен если подскажете последнюю оффлайн версию рабочую, что именно искать, а не качать все что попало.. да и на мерс как то находится обычно, а тут засада какая то со смартом, инфы очень мало

Спасибо буду ждать.

 

[романофф]

последнюю оффлайн версию

На трекере 10/20

 

[RomaFin]

На трекере 10/20

СПС. А то версий немеряно, ещё и куча продаванов с ПОСЛЕДНИМИ обновлениями и тд а во многих раздачах их же ещё и спутаны Файлы хз как и тд

 

[романофф]

Вариант схемы с пометкой U75 - для бензина.

GF54.15-P-1255-21FG Fuse and relay box relay assignment

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Assignment of fuse and relay module (K40/1) for vehicle electrical center (front side) 1 to 44 Fuse sockets K40/1 Fuse and relay module K40/1A Electrical connector K40/1B Electrical connector K40/1C Electrical connector K40/1D Electrical connector K40/1E Electrical connector A to U Relay sockets

P54.15-2750-06

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Assignment of fuse and relay module (K40/1) for vehicle electrical center (rear side) K40/1 Fuse and relay module K40/1F Electrical connector K40/1G Electrical connector K40/1H Electrical connector K40/1J Electrical connector K40/1K Electrical connector

P54.15-2751-06

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Position Relay Switched function A K40/1kA Power window relay B K40/1kB Horn relay C K40/1kC Fuel pump 2 relay D K40/1kD Rear fog lamps relay E K40/1kE Starter relay F K40/1kF Gasoline/diesel engine relay G K40/1kG Preexcitation alternator H K40/1kH Fan stage 1 relay I K40/1kI Fog lamp relay (with code (V07) Front fog lamps (FFO)) J K40/1kJ Heater relay K K40/1kK Fuel pump 1 relay L K40/1kL Transmission relay M K40/1kM Trailer hitch bridge (with code (E50) Trailer hitch) N K40/1kN Free (backup relay) O K40/1kO Fan stage 2 relay P K40/1kP HCS [SCA] relay (with code (V43) Headlamp cleaning system (FFO)) Q K40/1kQ Rear window defroster relay R K40/1kR Heated seats bridge (with code (S17) Heated seats (FFO)) S K40/1kS Low beam relay T K40/1kT High beam relay U K40/1kU Throttle valve relay (only with engine 134.910, 135.930/950)

 

[романофф]

реле G -реле возбуждения.

не понятно что там мотор управляет, надо описание читать.

 

[романофф]

GF15.40-P-0001FF Power supply from the on-board electrical system, function 22.2.06

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ENGINE 122.9, 134.9, 135.9 in MODEL 454.0

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1 Pre-excitation electrical circuit 2 Vehicle power supply voltage 3 Charging current 4 Load condition of alternator 5 Requirement of the motor electronics control unit A1 Instrument cluster A1e5 Alternator charge indicator/warning lamp G1 Battery G2 Alternator K40/1 Fuse and relay module K40/1kG Preexcitation alternator N3/10 Motor electronics control unit

P15.40-2356-05

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General For a running engine the alternator supplies the on-board electrical system with electrical energy and charges the battery. The alternator generates the three-phase current for this which is rectified. Function When switching on ignition (terminal 15) the voltage is applied at connection D+ of the alternator. The charge control/warning lamp in the pre-excitation electrical circuit lights up. After starting the engine the alternator, driven via a poly-V-belt, generates the pre-excitation current self-sufficiently. When the earth potential disappears the charge control/warning lamp goes out. The alternator supplies current to the battery and the on-board electrical system via connection B+. The alternator voltage is just slightly less than the gassing voltage of the battery. This means that adequate charging is achieved and damage to the battery through overcharging is prevented. Regulation of the alternator takes place via the integrated electronics dependent on: Engine speed Vehicle power supply voltage Requirement of the motor electronics control unit The on-board power supply voltage is directly detected by the alternator electronics and evaluated. The motor electronics control unit transmits its requirements in the form of a voltage signal to the alternator. Voltage > 5 V: regulating voltage 14.2 V Voltage < 5 V: regulating voltage 12.8 V The status of the current operating rate of the alternator is transmitted via a data line to the motor electronics control unit. The signal can be read out using an oscilloscope. It is, however, not possible to make any statement about the current operating rate since no fixed pulse width exists.

 

[романофф]

из описания видим, что генератор общается с моторником , и получает инфу по запросу.

имеет внешнее возбуждение

 

[романофф]

GF15.40-P-2000FF Component description for the alternator 22.2.06

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ENGINE 122.9, 134.9, 135.9 in MODEL 454.0

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P15.40-2359-08

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Shown on engine 135 1 FR-Terminal 2 L-Terminal 3 S-Terminal 4 G-Terminal G2 Alternator A Connection for signal lines B+ Battery positive

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Location For engine 134 and 135 the alternator is located at the right front in the engine compartment. For engine 122 the alternator is located at the right on the engine, in the area of the front axle carrier. Assignment connection for signal lines Drive control terminal: Signal for alternator operating rate to motor electronics control unit (N3/10) L-terminal: Preexcitation of the alternator, control of the alternator charge indicator/warning lamp (A1e5) S-terminal Sensor line for alternator directly to circuit 30 G-terminal: Charging voltage request from motor electronics control unit ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Task The alternator supplies sufficient energy to the on-board electrical system for all occurring rotational speeds during driving and thus guarantees the on-board electrical supply and charging of batteries (G1). Design The alternator is designed as an alternator with integrated regulation. Functional principle Voltage generation in the alternator is based on the principle of induction. If a magnetic field changes in a conducting loop (coil or winding) an electrical voltage is induced in the conducting loop. If a coil has a rotating magnetic field running through it with a north and south pole then a sinusoidal AC voltage is generated. The AC voltage is rectified using diodes. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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In the case of an alternator one differentiates between the electrical circuits: pre-excitation electrical circuit The pre-excitation electrical circuit builds up a magnetic field in the excitation winding after switching on the ignition (terminal 15). After starting the engine the alternator provides the excitation function itself. When the excitation current is flowing the alternator charge indicator/warning lamp goes out. In the case of a defect alternator charge indicator/warning lamp or line interruption no preexcitation takes place since the pre-excitation electrical circuit is interrupted. Excitation current circuit The excitation current builds up the magnetic field in the excitation current of the rotor. Charge current circuit The charge current circuit supplies the on-board electrical system with electrical energy.

Control Regulation of the alternator takes place by means of the integral electronics depending on the rotational speed, on-board power supply voltage and request from the motor electronics control unit. The on-board power supply voltage is directly detected by the alternator electronics and evaluated. The motor electronics control unit transmits its requirements in the form of a voltage signal to the alternator. Voltage > 5 V: regulating voltage 14.2 V Voltage < 5 V: regulating voltage 12.8 V If there is a problem (e.g. line interruption) the alternator cannot deliver its full output. Operating rate feedback The signal operating rate feedback it readable using an oscilloscope. It is, however, not possible to make any statement about the current operating rate since no fixed puls

 

[RomaFin]

Спасибо огромное! Пошёл ковырять в ночь

Пс Вис качался пол дня за выхи поставлю, чтобы не отвлекать никого!